Walter Hatch interviewed by Richard Ade - February 16, 2001

• Hatch, Walter

Richard Ade Interviews

CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME?

Walter Hatch

AND WHERE ARE YOU FROM?

I am living in Bethel now.

WHERE ARE YOU ORIGINALLY FROM?

I’m originally from Old Town, Maine. That’s where I was born and I went to high school there.

WHEN WERE YOU BORN?

1926.

HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE IN YOUR FAMILY?

There was my brother and I and my mother and father.

WHAT WAS YOUR FATHER’S OCCUPATION?

He was in the pulp mill in Old Town. He was a chemical engineer and finally worked his way up to be the plant manager at the Old Town Mill.

WHAT WAS YOUR MOTHER’S OCCUPATION?

Well, she was briefly the school teacher there. But then, after she got married and had children she didn’t work after that. She was a homemaker.

WHAT WAS LIFE LIKE AT HOME?

Well, I don’t know what you mean…it was okay. I didn’t have anything to compare it to, so, I guess you’d say it was normal.

WHAT WERE YOUR GRANDPARENTS LIKE?

Well, let’s see. I had two grandmothers who were still alive. Both grandfathers had died before we were born. So, the grandmothers, off and on, would live with us. I guess that was more the custom in those days. They needed some place to go or if they got sick or something like that they would go to their children’s homes. They’re weren’t that many opportunities to go any place. They were real nice and friendly and part of the family when they were there. They weren’t always living there all the time but my brother and I liked them both.

WHAT ARE YOUR EARLIEST MEMORIES?

Well, I guess when I was getting read to by my mother or crawling around or playing with toys around the house where I grew up. I guess I don’t know how old I was then, but well before school age, you know, because it was around the middle of the day. So, if I had been school age, I probably would have been in school. So, I must have been three or four which is about as far back as I can remember.

WHAT WAS YOUR MOST IMPORTANT EARLY INFLUENCE?

I guess my parents and the way they lived and what they thought was right and wrong which wasn’t always the same as everybody else. They were generally a little more strict, I would say, than the average family around town as far as what was okay and what wasn’t. They were probably the biggest influence. And then, the kids that I played with would probably be the next after that.

WHERE DID YOU FIRST GO TO SCHOOL?

It was in Old Town. The grammar school

HOW LONG WERE YOU THERE?

Well, it went through the sixth grade and I skipped kindergarten, so I was there for six years.

WHERE ELSE DID YOU GO TO SCHOOL?

Then I went to the local junior high school in Old Town which was a three year junior high school, so that was seventh, eighth and ninth grades. Then on to the local high school. The town had it’s own high school. Tenth, eleventh and twelfth grades.

WHERE DID YOU GO TO COLLEGE?

I immediately went to …it was during the World War II era and everything was accelerated. They had various programs geared toward military service. So, I went directly to the University of Maine for my freshman year and started right in the summer right after I graduated with a semester starting in June.

WHAT DID YOU MAJOR IN?

Well, in the freshman year it was engineering. You didn’t have to say what kind of engineering, but it was going to be and was, eventually, chemical engineering. But, I think at that phase it was just a freshman engineering cirriculum at the University of Maine.

WHAT WERE YOUR TEACHERS LIKE?

The professors or the early ones?

EITHER/OR.

Well, it was a mixed bag of everything, I guess. Some were of not the highest intelligence level and you know, they would make mistakes, I guess you’d say, or misinterpret things that I guess even the class people could see were not right. Others, you know, were real good. It was a mixture of everything. Good and bad and everything in between. There weren’t any that I didn’t like just some that I didn’t think that the kids didn’t respect them too much because they weren’t very high caliber. But, it was the best that you could get, so I guess that’s all you can say.

WHAT WERE SOME OF YOUR MEMORIES ABOUT SCHOOL?

Oh, sports. We would, you know, play basketball and that kind of stuff. And, um, hmmm, you know, just a mix. I can remember some stuff in class, on the playground, walking to and from school so it was just a mixture of all those things.

WHAT WERE YOUR INTERESTS DURING THAT PERIOD?

I was in the boy scouts. Funny you should mention that. That was one of the things I was interested in. Took piano lessons for many years, up until a sophomore year in highschool or junior year…I guess through the sophomore year. So, I spent quite a bit of time at that, practicing. And, informal sports type things. We lived near the woods so we would go and do various things in the woods behind the house. Climbing the trees or swinging down from the birch trees, that type of thing. Ice skating in the winter or skiing a little bit in the winter. It was just finding a big hill and climbing up and going down straight. Skiis weren’t the type you could maneuver at all, they were just sort of flat boards that so you went down straight, maybe made a little jump so you could lift yourself off. Basketball was the winter sport. We had a bowling alley in town. Actually, two of them as a matter of fact. That was an occasional thing that we did I guess I mentioned the scouts. I had various scout activities. We would participate in weekly meetings and then other special competitions and events that we would go to. And, church…we were in the youth group at church so we would do that on Sunday nights. The youth group would meet. I suppose that’s another activity.

WHAT WERE SOME OF YOUR FAVORITE TIMES GROWING UP?

I guess the sports activities were the things that I remember the most.

WHAT WERE SOME OF YOUR MOST UNPLEASANT MEMORIES?

Well, I’d have to stop and think now. They kind of all faded away. I guess, sometimes doing things with family gatherings when they were closely geared toward grown-ups, you know, like semi-reunion type things….kids would kind of get forced to join in and be sociable with everybody when we really didn’t want to. A few of those stick in my mind. I guess along the same lines….I’m sort of groping for things that come to mind…but it would be things…like…I was kind of picky of what I liked to eat and what I didn’t and if I was at home, you know, my folks knew what I liked and I’d eat lots of stuff. I would go to somebody’s house and have something that I didn’t like….and there was nothing I could do about it because you were at somebody else’s place. What else? Let’s see…Course, the war time curtailed a lot of things. You couldn’t drive anyplace in your care so things that you would normally just hop in the car and do you couldn’t do anymore. I guess that was kind of a downer. To say nothing of the fact that you would hear of people getting killed and injured…you know, people that you knew. That was no fun either. Well, it was so common that people didn’t think much about it. But, it was still no fun that it happened.

WHERE DID YOU FIRST GO TO WORK?

I first went to work, after I had gotten out of college, in New Jersey in 1948 with Exxon, it was Esso in those days. Now it’s Exxon Mobile actually. But, when I joined it was Esso. As a chemical engineer in Windham, New Jersey.

WHERE ELSE DID YOU WORK?

Well, I always worked for the same company, though the location moved around a bit. The office moved into another New Jersey location and then as I went along there were overseas branch offices that I was assigned to. I spent a couple of years in Holland and four years in England. Being out of the country was fairly common with Exxon because of the world-wide interests. Those were the two longest assignments that I was on, in Holland and England and from there we would travel to different countries for business meetings and discussions for design-work and those type of things…other European countries or that type of thing.

HOW DID YOU LIKE WORKING IN THAT?

I liked it. It was a mix of interesting and some drudgery type work. In those days, most people just accepted it. They didn’t keep looking around, you know, for some other place that was more ideal, or something. You spent a fair amount of time deciding where you wanted to work and then if you joined with a big company anyway you had in mind that it would be your career and take the drudgery along with the good stuff, as long it was a reasonable mix. So, I liked the stuff that I did.

WHAT WAS YOUR WORSE WORK EXPERIENCE?

Well, I guess there were assignments where everybody kind of knew that it didn’t mean very much, you know, paper work, assignments, but they had committed to do it. This was kind of big company-type thing. Once they had made up a program and specified all of the projects we were going to do and all the studies we were going to do, then nobody could bring themselves to say I didn’t want to do that anymore so you would have to plow through it, even if it felt like you were spending a lot of time producing some kind of a report that was never going to come to anything. Nobody was really going to do much with it, but you had to do it so you could cross it off your list and the company could cross it off its list and say that you know, they had done what they had committed to do. So, that was a kind of big company thing. I don’t think a small company could ever have it that way. It was what I called the drudgery part, it was the part that was not as much fun.

WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT WORLD WAR II?

Oh gosh. There was a whole bit, you know. Getting into it and people leaving and all the newspaper headlines and the…everything being curtailed. The rationing. The plants starting up and women having to replace men in the production lines. Things were going backwards before they started to turn around, that is, as far as the allies chances…the “good guys”, I’ll call them. Course, if you were on the other side you wouldn’t look at it that way. The good guys were getting beat at the beginning and then it was only after a while that it turned around and instead of defeats every place it was victories. I remember that progress. I listened to the radio all the time to hear what was happening …reading newspaper reports. Course, it would turn out afterwards that you weren’t really getting the whole story the whole time, but at the time you didn’t realize it so you just took it all very seriously. It was…it seemed like forever then, but looking back, we were only in..the United States was only in for less than four years, actually. As I said, it seemed like forever at the time but it doesn’t seem as long now. It was definitely a major thing. Whenever a book or a movie…well not so much a movie…but whenever books come out it seemed like they always cover a different angle and I am always interested to read it because I remember the events at the time so well. I never got into action. I was just young enough. I was on the verge but the war ended so, I never had to get into combat type operations.

WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT THE 1950’S?

Well, let’s see now. I was newly married and working for Exxon or Esso in those days. Everything was going great. Everybody seemed to be relatively prosperous. You know, it was a generally upbeat era because everything had to be re-built. Everybody was buying new houses and cars and starting families. So, it was, let’s see, the Korean War was in there. That messed it up to some extent. Course, I can’t even think of the years when that was now. I guess that ended in early 50. I’ll have to look that up when I get home. I guess that messed it up during the beginning of it. I guess other than that, things were going good, in this country anyway.

WHAT US PRESIDENT DID YOU LIKE BEST?

Hmm….Well, there is something about all of them that didn’t work out quite right, but, let’s see now. I’ll have to stop and think. I never looked at it that way. Eisenhower had an easy job…he never got anybody in any trouble. Truman was not supposed to be, you know, worthy of that high position but he surprised everybody so I guess I look at him in a pretty good light. And of the recent ones, hmm, except for the national debt getting so huge during his presidency, Ronald Reagan seemed to have a good touch with the public..good communication skills. Good rallying skills. But, he did run up a huge debt so there was kind of a mixed bag there. I can’t really boil it down to one president.

WHAT PRESIDENT DID YOU LIKE LEAST?

Well, I guess Nixon because of the Watergate business. Then, I got so I didn’t like him all that much before that because of his mannerisms when he lost the presidential election and the governorship of California and was kind of surly about the whole thing. You know, like, you won’t have me to kick around anymore you know, as if it was somebody else’s fault. He didn’t win the election. So, I guess if I…but mostly because of all of the stuff that ultimately is associated in the Watergate category although it could have all kinds of different names…dirty trick type things. Except for that though, I guess the rest of the stuff he did was alright. But, what sticks in my mind was the character he was and I didn’t care for him. Of course, John Kennedy, you might say he lucked out by being shot, you know. All anyone has is good memories of him. He didn’t have the time fore people to get sick of him. He kind of rallied the country, too. I did like Kennedy.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT CHANGES YOU’VE SEEN HAPPEN IN YOUR LIFETIME?

Well, the technological revolution, you know, is unbelievably fast. The things that we have now and some of them have even been superseded by other stuff. Then, um, social unrest has also brought about a lot of changes, you know, the civil rights movement and other problems with absorbing immigrants. In the earlier days there used to be sort of a white country with just a few non-whites and now it really is…they called it the great melting pot…but it really was other people from Europe that were similar..Scandinavian and German and Italian and Spanish and French, not so much Spanish..but European. And, now it’s a broad mix of everything causing a lot of difficulty. Unfairness and whatnot.

WHAT WERE TH MOST IMPORTANT CHANGES TO YOU?

That’s kind of hard to say. I guess as far as everyday life goes, the technological changes are the most visible thing that has happened. But, some of the other things creep in, like women’s rights….the hymnal has changed in the Congregational Church that says…doesn’t make it sound like God is He or Him or whatnot. Little things like that. You know, you run into it all the time that are different from the old days when you know, He and Him, if you read a hymnal. You’d see God once and then He and Him and His and all the rest of it would follow along in the text. Now, the UCC hymnal doesn’t do that anymore. They’ve eliminated all the references to gender. The Lord’s Prayer, I guess, still has “Our Father” in it. That’s probably going to go one of these days, too, probably. So, that’s a social change, I guess, that has had an effect on me. A minor effect on me….on what you say and how you act and stuff.

HOW DID YOU MEET YOUR WIFE?

Well, I was on a blind date. My …the fraternity I belonged to. This was at Worcester Tech. I started at the University of Maine but then I got reassigned to Worcester Tech in Massachusetts for the remaining three years of my college as part of the Navy college training program. We had to live in dormitories on campus because we were part of the Navy program. Certain off hours, though, you could join a fraternity and participate and visit the fraternity house and participate in activities. They had regular students there. Non-Navy type students and what turned out to be my wife’s brother..he was one of the underclassmen who was there. He fixed me up with his sister when she was going to actually, it was a prep school in Wellesley, MA. That’s where I met her. We went on a blind date or arranged date, whatever you want to call it. Blind date, I guess is the right word. This was back in 1945…late 45.

WHERE DID YOU LIVE AFTER YOU GO MARRIED?

We lived in Roselle, New Jersey, was one of the many suburban towns that were in that New Jersey area. We had an apartment there which was two or three miles from where worked.

WHERE HAVE YOU LIVED SINCE THEN?

Well, after about three years, I think, yes, it was exactly three years because we had a three year lease, I remember, we bought a small house in another town a couple of towns over from where we were living. We lived there for about eight years and then I was sent on one of the overseas assignments that I mentioned earlier and we sold the house and lived overseas and didn’t own any house at that stage, rather than keeping it and moving..It was getting too small anyway. So, we lived in rented, furnished quarters…a furnished house in Holland in 1962. Then we came back and bought another larger house in another New Jersey Town, Summit, New Jersey and owned that until 1987, I guess it was. Although, during that period we had our London, England assignment but that time we kept the house and rented it out to other people. We had a succession of renters. We owned it but didn’t live in it for four years. We came back and lived in it until we sold it in 1987. Then, we moved to Bethel where we had a house built by a contractor. We had the house built on a lot that we had bought and that’s where we have lived ever since. So, whatever that is. I guess 13 and a half years, now, that we’ve lived here in Bethel. You know, we had to pay for a furnished house in England. We didn’t buy there. The company system was that you rented quarters and they gave you an allowance for what was supposed to be the extra cost to rent furnished quarters. So, that’s where we stayed in London. A rented furnished house.

WHAT ARE YOUR WIFE’S HOBBIES?

Well, she does a lot of volunteering. With even older people. She doesn’t like to think she’s elderly but the other people she visits are..you know, cause they are 80 or 90, some of them. She likes to do that and she does knitting and that type of activity…crocheting and making clothing items, that type of thing. Gardening a little in the summer. She participates in quite a few women’s group activities at the Church….whatever they may be. I guess that’s a type of hobby.

WHAT ARE YOUR CHILDREN LIKE? HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE?

I have five daughters and they are all grown up and have there own families now. My oldest grandchild is…well, I’ve got to figure this out now….22. He graduated from college this year and then at the other end of the scale there is a two year old grandson . Five daughters. Five sons-in-law and 12 grandchildren. Quite a crowd.

HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED IN BETHEL?

Since May of 1987. That’s when we came. While our house was being built we lived nearby in the Cameron House. I don’t know if you notices on Mason Street, near here. Two houses up on the far side. It’s a lodging place and we stayed there while our house was being built. We moved into the house in January, 1988. So, we have only been in the house 13 years. The other half a year was in town participating in activities but we did not have our own house at that stage.

HOW DID YOU COME UPON THIS AREA?

Well, we started vactioning here back in the mid-70’s and actually we started vacationing here because my wife’s parents had stopped at the Bethel Inn once just on their way through and I think it was just a casual lunch or something. They told us, if you are ever driving through Bethel, which we did now and then because we would take Route 2 coming up from New Jersey we would sometime combine into a little vacation and stop along the way and stop overnight and then go on the rest of the way to visit my folks who still lived in Maine at that time. They lived in Old Town. They knew we drove on Route 2 so they told my wife is you are ever passing through Bethel you ought to stop at the Bethel Inn for lunch. It’s a real nice place. We did that one time and we saw they had a gold course there. At that time, I was interested in golf. So, we had lunch, and one time in New Hampshire when we couldn’t get a motel room because they were all booked up, we were pretty close to the border and we remembered the Bethel Inn and phoned over to see if they had a room and they did, so we stayed one night and then we said gee, this is a nice place to spend some time. So, the next summer I guess we stayed five days and then the next time we stayed seven days and pretty soon we were staying 10 days and that type of thing. Then, we started adding in ski trips and that type of thing in the winter. We would come up here for a week and do downhill skiing and some cross-country too I guess, but mostly down hill. Anyway, started out as a vacation place so when it came time that I was going to retire, we were trying to think. And well, it was getting kind of crowded in New Jersey and said this really isn’t a good place to retire although a lot of people just stayed where they were. We knew we wanted more of a laid back, less crowed place so we ended up coming here, buying a lot and having a house built. It started out as vacation and then we ended up having a house built.

WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT THIS AREA?

Well, I like the natural resources, you might say. The mountains and the river and the fact that it’s not too crowded. No traffic lights. No pollution. Nice people and nice natural beauty. Bethel itself has other things going for it because it has Gould Academy and the Nationally Training Laboratories. That’s just up the street. Maybe you never heard of that. NTL Institute. It’s a school for behavorial sciences. Interactions and group dynamics. That type of thing. Company’s use it to train their staff in how to get things done where you have all kinds of different views of what should get done or maybe you don’t have good relations between leaders and followers or supervisors and non-supervisors. Or, maybe you have different branches of the company and they are all at odds competing with each other rather than working together and the behavorial science type courses that they give are supposed to help you in that regard. Anyway, that’s what is up the street here. Then, of course the regional high school is here. Telestar Regional High School So, its kind of a unique town with a more cultural educational bent than just any old town that might be stuck in a similar natural beauty situation. Its a combination fo natural beauty and all these other educational type things that go with it.

WHAT DO YOU DISLIKE ABOUT THIS AREA?

Well, I can’t think of anything that I dislike.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE CHANGED?

Well, I’m on a town committee to make sure we don’ t lose things like the historic district because of inappropriate things moving in and destroying the character. The town ordinances really don’t prohibit all that much at the moment. Its kind of good like that people have seen fit not to ruin the appearance of the town. The committee I’m on is trying to…without being too overbearing…trying to set some ground rules about how growth should occur and where it should occur and how we can preserve the desirable assets of the town. So, you are asking me if there is something I don’t like about it…I don’t know if this really effects me all that much but I know some people have trouble finding housing suitable for their needs at the pricing they can afford. You know, you hear stories about school teachers that you know, professional people, like school teachers who have worked 15 years, not just starting out, and still have trouble finding a house they can afford in town. I wish that wasn’t the case. Too bad that this is wide spread that this would be the case. So, there is a problem there for affordable housing for modest level professional people. Skilled person…experienced…should be able to find a house you could buy in town and they say you can’t so I guess that’s not a good thing. Now, if you have two husband and wife and both are earning…and they can just barely make it. That’s about the size of it.

WHAT IS YOUR MOST UNFORGETTABLE CHARACTHER?

Around town, you mean? I don’t think I know any. I’ll take a buy on that and keep it in the back of my mind while I’m answering the rest of the stuff.

WHAT COMMUNITY SERVICE ACTIVITIES ARE YOU IN?

Well, I’m on this comprehensive plan committee that I mentioned. Conservation Commission. Um, Land Trust and Historical Society. I do some school volunteer work. They had a Odyssey of the Mind program…I don’t know if you’ve heard of that. Creative problem solving. I coached that for quite a few years. I was a handicap ski instructor for a number of years. I tutored at school for quite a few years, I haven’t done it recently. I’m on the solid waste recycling committee. Treasury with the Church and probably some other things that I can’t think of right now. That’s how I keep myself busy. I look for things that I reasonably enjoy doing and it helps the town and helps me, too.

WHAT ARE YOUR ROLES IN THE BETHEL HISTORICAL SOCIETY?

I am the chair of the trustees at the moment. I’m co-chair of the Capital Campaign Committee and then there are other sort of up-shoot sub-committees of the trustees, such as the budget committee…I do quite a bit of work on that. Personnel committee…I do quite a bit of work on that. Historical Preservation Committee which just meets once per year to give an award for the place around town that has done the best job with historic preservation. Then I rotated through several different jobs at the society here. Secretary to Vice President…President…Trustees and then Chair of Trustees. I guess that’s all. Anyway, I’m up to my eyeballs in the Historical Society.

WHAT DO YOU THINK WERE SOME OF YOUR MOST IMPORTANT DECISIONS?

Well, I guess deciding where we were going to live. I guess that was a long time ago. I retired some 14 years ago, so deciding where we wanted to retire to. Again, that was a long time ago but that was an important decision. Then, looking around and deciding where in the area we wanted to be. First, we were trying to find a house that was already on the market that we liked. But, at the time there didn’t seem to be anything. Then, a relative suggested that we could always buy a lot and build there. So, that’s what we ended up doing. That was a good decision. Letting our children make there own decisions. You know, we kind of nudge them a little bit. Deciding what activity to get into and when to say no to something when you need to. I didn’t really have that many tough decisions, to tell you the truth. Life just kind of cruised along pretty smoothly. I guess we eventually have to decide how long we can stay in the house and keep taking care of it ourselves or if we have to find some other place to live, like a group-type place…retirement village…whatever you want to call it. We realize we are going to have to decide, so it’s kind of nagging at us a little, but it’s nothing we have to decide immediately.

WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE INFLUENCED YOUR LIFE THE MOST?

Oh, probably the start I got from my parents. You know, the lifestyle they had and their values and what not. They were, as I said, very strict…well, I guess that’s not quite the right word. They had there own way to live regularly…and there was another way not to. They did it the right way and made it clear that they wished my brother and I would too. We didn’t always do everything they said exactly like they wanted it, but you know, it’s still there as kind of a background and a framework that lasted through the years.

WHAT ADVICE DO YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT TO GIVE A YOUNG PERSON BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCES?

Well, I would say, try to take the long view of decisions they made. You know, something that is good for a month or a week or something and haunts you the rest of your life, you know, a bad decision, there’s a heck of a lot of years left that you don’t quite realize when you’re young. You kind of vaguely know that people live to a long age but you don’t picture yourself. So, I would say, pay more attention to the long haul and give up a few things if necessary early on that might be temporarily intrigueing to realize how many years you have to live with that decision. I guess another thing I noticed over the years was that when I was young, well I tended to think well, that guy is smart and almost like everything he says is smart and that guy over there isn’t so bright so everything he does isn’t great. Or the other way….with regard to their integrity.. That really isn’t the way. Everybody has a mixture of good and bad. But, if you use somebody as a role model, you don’t want to say well, everything he does is going to be my role model…You want to pick out, you know, what is it that you want to use and not assume that everything the person does is completely wonderful. The same way you don’t want to discard advice from somebody that it might be wrong two thirds of the time, but they may have just as good ideas or better as somebody else. So, being able to separate…pick out the good points about what you hear and be able to discard the bad things from somebody that you might respect. Not generalize or categorize “This is a good guy” or “This is a bad guy” or Dumb Guy or Smart Guy…that type of thing.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THE FUTURE WILL BE LIKE IN BETHEL?

I don’t know. There’s a heck of a lot of people in town trying to drum up one more business and companies coming in…course that’s not why I came here. I hear a lot of other people are interested in all that…more jobs and prosperity and yet, nothing much happens, even with all that talk. I have no idea if the town is going to grow all that much or not. I think the character seems to be pretty resiliant. You know, there are the qualities that we noticed when we started coming in the ‘70’s that we liked and more or less they are still here despite of all the changes.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE?

Well, tell me a little bit about the whole exercise that you are doing and how it all fits together and what type of people we’ve been talking to….

I’M INTERVIEWING AS MANY PEOPLE IN TOWN AS MUCH AS I CAN, COMPILING THE INFORMATION AND TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT LIFE HAS BEEN LIKE HERE. AND THEN IT WILL BE PUT TOGETHER AND STORED HERE AT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. THIS IS MY EAGLE SCOUT PROJECT AS A LEADERSHIP PROJECT AND THE REST OF MY TROOP IS INVOLVED WITH THE TRANSCRIPTION AND SOME OF THE INTERVIEWS.